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murphy's house. it goes to show that not only politics is local. all politics are "the ed show" starts right now. good evening, americans. welcome to sh"the ed show." rmitt romney unloaded a mountai of lies today, but it was ann romney who was the real star of the show. this is "the ed show," let's get to work. >> let me give a shout out to all moms that are working. >> the romney campaign is trying to disguise their anti-woman policies and rush limbaugh is lending a hand. >> if i had a daughter, she would look like ann romney. >> karen finney and richard
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wolffe on ann romney surprise. >> they are paying a lower tax rate. >> senator sheldon is fighting for fairness before monday's vote. newark mayor plays super hero saving his neighbor from a fire. 100 years after it sank, we're getting the most detailed look at the titanic. tonight, we're taking you to the bottom of the ocean. good to have you with us. thanks for watching. the republicans have found their new rock star and i want ain't mitt romney. >> there's one more person i would like to introduce. this is a hero of mine. i happen to believe that all moms are working moms and if you have five sons, why your work is
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never over. ann romney. >> she's been pushed to the forefront of the campaign. she's the best thing the campaign has going for them now. she's warm, likable and can speak clearly on the issues. she joined her husband at the nra meeting. earlier, the romney campaign did not miss an opportunity to appeal to women voters. >> this is what i love the most. women are talk about the economy and jobs, and about the legacy of debt that we're going to leave our children. we are mad about it, and we're going to do it something about it november. >> the problem for the republicans is ann romney isn't running for office. her husband is. needless to say, she stole the show. >> you know, i've heard recently something how women were being referred to as a special interest group, and i thought to myself, really only washington could do that.
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there's only one part of that phrase that's correct. women are special. >> what mrs. romney should have pointed out, it's the republican party that considers women a special interest group. the president recognizes that. >> women are not some monolithic block. women are not an interest group. you shouldn't be treated that way. women are over half this country in its work force. >> that's why conservatives manufactured outrage over a democratic strategist on the going to hold water because this election isn't about ann romney's choice to be a stay at home mom. this is about her husband's proposed policies and how they will impact women in this country. when it comes to equal pay and
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equal work, romney's campaign couldn't give a straight answer on where their candidate stands. >> does governor romney support the lilly ledbetter act? >> sam, we'll get back to you on that. >> mitt romney wholeheartedly embraced the ryan budget. a plan with a devastating impact on poor and working families. mitt romney says he will repeal obama care taking away health care for millions of women's in the country. he supported the blunt amendment and still does which allows bosses to deny female contraception coverage. he says he will get rid of planned parenthood which provides health care for millions of women and now mitt romney has picked up support from two top anti-abortion groups. the national right to life committee and the susan b anthony list.
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both vow to turn millions of dollars into the campaign. >> i will preserve a woman's right to choose. >> all that flip-flopping doesn't seem to matter. the groups are convinced that mitt's going to stick with his position this time around. >> we love people who have changed their position. rom admits that he has done that, and we're happy to be working with him. >> the gop may be trying to disguise their policies on women by leaning on ann romney but the democrats are calling them out on it. i sat down with joe biden in new hampshire yesterday and he's taking the assault very seriously. >> i think the war on women is real. i tell you where it's going to intensify. the next president of the united states is going to get to name one or two or more members of the supreme court.
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>> president obama is hitting back on romney's fuzzy math on women in the economy. here is the president earlier today. >> women have been disproportionately affected. 92% of the people that lost their jobs under your administration are women. what do you have to say about that? >> everybody who has looked at that claim knows its bogus. what he doesn't mention is that all these job losses both men and women took place as a consequence of the worst financial crisis and the worst economic crisis that we've seen since the great depression. the vast bulk of them happened before i was sworn into office or a few months shortly after i was sworn in. a direct result of the policies that he wants to go back to. >> no matter how many times ann romney goes to bat for her husband, no matter how many times mitt romney changings his position to suit his political
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interest, no matter how many times he fudges the numbers the, mitt romney policies are bad for working moms, stay at home mom, single moms, single woman, married women and the entire middle class in this country, and the republicans are stuck with him. get your cell phones out. can anybody help mitt romney close the gender gap? text a for yes and b for no. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. let's bring this former dnc communications director and msnbc political analyst karen finney and richard wolffe. richard, did the president deflakt the romney argument on women losing their jobs in this economy? >> sure he did. you don't have to work that hard to deflate it. it doesn't make any sense. the unemployment rate among
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women is lower than among men. if anyone that thinks that 90% of the job loss has been among women isn't paying it attention. he's right to brush it aside because it's just ridiculous. >> karen, ann romney is coming to the forefront and i guess the key player if helping them close the gender gap. she's an asset to the campaign. she's got a lot of ka ris ma in front of a crowd. she handles herself well. is this going to work? >> i think they think it's their best play. it was so pathetic how quickly they tried to jump on the comments that hilary rosen made as a way to distract from what's a fundamental problem in the campaign. ann romney is incredibly impressive. i have a lot of respect for her, but like you said, her husband can't -- he's got to seal the deal with him. he's not going to be able to do
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that because when you look at the policies. when you have these conversations with women, hilary rosen's point was about the economy and how women are impacted in this economy. a lot of women don't have the choice to stay home. i think we all would love for every woman to be able to make the choice for herself. do you want to stay home with your kids? do you want to work outside the home? do you want to do both? we know that's not the reality. remember, that this is mitt romney's who said he doesn't care about the poor. he wants to cut the social safety net with his support for the ryan budget. once you did in there, his policies are not good for any woman. >> richard, is the romney campaign putting ann romney in a tough position. will she have to respond to policy questions if she's going to be out on the fore front like this? >> frankly, i think the romney
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campaign did not put her in the best position here. to wield her out at an nra event shows desperation. what they are doing is a bunch of tactics. they are throwing up a cloud of dust. some people just choking on the dust. if you step back here, it's a policy problem. that's how the mccane campaign ran it last time around. you try to win in a few day or hours. if you're really going to deploy ann romney and her strengths well, you put her in a setting where you can talk about what you're going to do for women. i just think there's so much that's been super official this week. they are panicking because they started out this week 19 points behind women voters behind the obama campaign. the obama campaign didn't hold its head well through the whole hilary rosen flap, but the harder road to travel is with
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the romney folks. >> you make an interesting point about the nra. it's an unusual place for the wife of a spouse, the spouse of a candidate to come out and speak to that crowd. i don't believe that's happened before. the other thing is that hilary rosen has put this behind her. said her apologies. the president responded to it very strongly and so did vice president joe biden. all of this really is an old story, but here comes the romney campaign putting it back out there again today and the first thing she talks about is moms and women and how important they are. karen, this obviously is going to be a strategy that they're not going to give up on. they know they have a problem with women. they have to ride this issue as long as they can. what do you think? >> i agree. that's why they were so quick to jump on this yesterday and why they are trying to continue it
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today and milk it for everything they can. i agree with what richard was saying. they are playing box checking politics. they do not understand fundamentally what women are talking about when we talk about the war on women. we've talked about the economic issues. let's be clear, hillary was apologized. she was in no way disparaging the choice of staying at home. when you talk about taking away access to contraception, when you talk about saying that men sitting in a building behind me tell me when i've been raped, that's an afront to women's liberty. that's why we feel under siege. >> well, to your point there, this is why i don't think the democrats can give up on the slogan war on women. look at their policies. dnc communications director put
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this statement out here today. he was quoted by a reporter. i'm not a fan of the term war on women. i'm sure i've probably used it. we all fall into these easy vernaculars but we in the dnc have not been running a campaign based on the term war on women. that's a myth cooked up by republicans. >> no it's not. it was stated first on "the ed show." we've been talking about it since the contraception and the religious freedom discussion took place. >> you know what, it started before then. i started hearing from women friends of mine in different parts of the country with these crazy statement measures where you had state legislatures saying if we make an exception for rape women would use that has a loophole. i heard from women all over the country over the last year as the measures have been coming up saying i feel under siege. the level of conversation.
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the way they are talking about us. women feel like there's war on our liberty. >> you got the dnc spokesman saying this. do the democrats have a messaging problem all of a sudden on this bernie sanders tell me, there's war on women. we got to keep talking about it. what do you think? >> i think democrats have lost a bit of their cool this week, to be honest. i don't think the obama campaign should have responded about the hilary rosen air fair in the way they did. not because she said things that's just fine. she's not associated with them. the president had the best response which is that spouses are off limits. he knows it because his spouse has come under ridiculous and painful fire. in any case, democrats need to stick to the policy questions. there are pocketbook questions that women care about. there's also fundamental rights questions that are coming under attack just in arizona where you see abortion procedures coming
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under fire again. that is not an abstract debate anymore. i don't know that it helps republicans to keep the conversation on this. they need be talking about who can run the economy better. not who speaks for women better because they always lost that by 19 points. >> we got to run. it's the policies of the republicans that is causing all of this conversation. great to have you with us on this friday evening. thanks for your time. remember to answer the question at the bottom of the screen. new poll nurjs sthoe americans support the buffet rule. will the buffet rule pass when it faces a vote? the mayor of newark, new jersey risks his life to save a neighbor from a burning building.
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in order to put 400,000 teachers and teachers aids back to work and 15 to 20,000 firefighters and cops, all you had to do was raise five-tenths of 1%, the first tax a millionaire made after the first million. i remember a poll showing millionaires, a majority of millionaires supported that. >> joe biden told me the american people are standing with democrats when it comes to tax fairness. the numbers prove it. a new poll shows 60% of americans support the buffet rule. only 37% oppose it. among independents, 63% say millionaires and billionaires should pay a minimum tax rate of 30%. the obama supporting super pac is comparing the buffet rule with the romney rule. >> while romney doesn't want millionaires like him to pay a nickel more, he doesn't see the
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big deal with letting taxes go up by $1,000 for hard working americans. that's the romney rule. more tax breaks for folks like him, more pain for middle class folks. >> today president obama and vice president biden released their 2011 tax returns. democrats called on romney to do the same. the romney campaign confirmed the candidate filed for an extension. a spokesperson said romney will release his 2011 returns sometime in the next six months and prior to the election. the buffet rule bill will face its first vote in the senate on monday. bill sponsor senator sheldon whitehouse was out rallying support. >> what we're trying to move against is institutionalized
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unfairness. we want to see that everyone pays their fair share. it's good for society when we all know that no one is manipulating the system to their advantage because they're rich and powerful. you know who said that, ronald reagan. >> let's bring in the senator from rhode island. senator, good to have you with us tonight. appreciate your time. >> happy to be here. >> these polling numbers look good for the democrats and for the policy that the white house is pushing. what are you hearing on the road? you believe these numbers? are your constituents saying go right ahead and go for this? >> i'm surprised the numbers are so low in favor of the buffet rule. i haven't found one person yet in rhode island who thinks that a new york hedge fund billionaire should pay a lower rate than a rhode island truck driver. it doesn't surprise me is a bit
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it's popular. frankly, it's the only thing that makes any sense. >> what was the quote from ronald reagan say about the modern day republican party and where they stand on taxization? >> it showed how ideal logical they have become and moved away from the practical view of a president who many of them view as the conservative saint. ronald reagan was a very practical man and he knew what was fair and not fair. it's simply not right for somebody who is making a quarter of a billion dollars a year to be paying a lower tax rate than somebody making $50,000 a year. >> do you think this is a winning campaign issue for not only president obama and his campaign but for every democrat running for office that economic fairness is something that, ynd this word is overplayed a lot,
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but will it resonate with voters that this is really where the country wants to go? >> gosh, i sure hope so. it would really be a shame to think we're a country where we would be willing to accept the idea that somebody at the very, very top of our economy pyramid should be able to have special privileges, special tax rates that are lower than what the ordinary regular working family pays. that just doesn't seem right. the thing that surprises me the most is we're having such a fight over it. you think it would be a slam dunk. >> what do you think the senate will do on monday? >> i think it's going to depend on how many senators have heard from their constituents. if they don't hear from them, i think they will go with the special interest and protect the privilege low tax rate from
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these ultrahigh end folks. if they start hearing from americans, i think they will change on this. i would urge people to go to buffet rule.com and call your local senator and let people know how you feel. if we're not looking then the special interest will win. >> senator whitehouse great to have you with us. another major company defects from the right wing agenda group, alec. we'll tell you why mars candy is jumping off the alec ship. the wing nuts were strutting their stuff at the nra. don't miss this one. it's very important to understand
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welcome back. another major corporation has cut ties with alec. mars incorporated is the maker of skittles candy. trayvon martin was only armed with skittles and iced when he was shot by george zimmerman. the stand your ground law in florida started out as an alec modelled bill. mars joins other major companies in dumping alec, coca-colcoca-c pepsi, kraft foods, mcdonald's and wendy's have cut ties.
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the alec agenda is being aexposed across the country. the group, progress virginia recently published a report showing how virginia lawmakers are connected to alec. the executive director confronted virginia house speaker after he said there were inaccuracies in the report. this is what bullies do when they are backed against the wall. >> i'm just curious about which part of the report you found inaccurate? >> the part where you say they got $230,000. >> the state didn't spend $230,000. >> i guess i'm not speaking in little enough words to understand. >> i'm a smart girl. i went to the university of virginia. i benefitted from public education. i think words with multiple syllables will be just fine for me. >> joining me is the director of progress virginia. good to have you with us tonight. you are in the thick of a big story in this country because
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the american people because of work of jurournalists are startg to figure out how laws are being passed. he's called you and apologized for his comments. he did say that there were inaccuracies in your report. in his phone call to you, did he address those, what he claims are inaccuracies? >> he did not. thank you for having me this evening, ed. he did call me this morning and apologized for his comment, and i do appreciate that. he's still unable to point to anything in our report that's inaccurate that's not troouthfu. i think there's a lot that defenders are trying to distract from the model legislation that puts corporations first on
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constituen constituents. >> p what are the most extreme examples of what alec has done? >> our report found that the state of virginia had spent over $230,000 sending legislatures off to these alec junkets, so legislatures can meet with corporate lobbyists behind closed doors. the result that been over 50 pieces of alec model legislation has been introduced in one form or another and over 115 current or former virginia legislatures have some sort of tax to the organization. >> you know, it's interesting the state i'm broadcasting from, minnesota, governor mark dayton, now the governor of this state has deep sixed seven alec related bills. there have been a bunch of them that's been passing the state. is this really the last line of defense a democratic governor or
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a democratically controlled house or senate somewhere in states across america that will be able to reject these alec legislations because it seems to be the standard blue print of republican party and the conservative movement. >> i think, alec isn't just a conservative organization. it's really a corporate front group. their mission is to promote legislation that increases the bottom line. the best and first place to push back on that is with the american people and educate voters to get them involved and hold lawmakers responsible and tell them this is unacceptable and we elected you to represent us, not major corporations. >> is your governor of virginia hearing your message? >> i think he is starting to hear it. we are speaking louder than ever. unfortunately, governor mcdonald
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has requested pieces of alec legislation be introduced just there past general assembly session. there was a tax credit bill part of his education agenda. that was copy and modelled from alec legislation. >> amazing. this is what's going to happen in america is that all politics is local. your representative your senator or your delegate, i know in the state of virginia, you refer to them as delegates, people are going to have to get involved, and follow up on what's being proposed in these legislative sessions and ask them is this an alec bill or is this your bill or can you tell us who wrote this bill and who is behind this bill? we're at that point right now because this agenda is out to hurt workers and middle class families and gain corporate control all across our economy. no doubt about it. thank you for your work. great report. we appreciate your time tonight. there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of sho"thd
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it was rolling over the roof and down the other wall. i lifted her as best as i could with my hips and got her up and ran as quickly as i could through the kitchen which was on fire. >> how would you react in a crisis? the mayor of newark, new jersey is being hailed as a hero after rescuing his neighbor from a burning building. he returned home to find his neighbors home in flames and discovered a woman was still inside. against the demands of security detail, the mayor ran into the house, through the flames and carried the woman to safety. today, she is in stable condition suffering from second-degree burns to her back and neck. mayor booker was also taken to the hospital and treated for smoke inhalation and second-degree burns on his hands. today, the mayor was back at work with a humble response to his act of bravery. he said the firefighters and police officers are the real heroes. >> the firefighter offense our
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city are doing this on a regular basis. these guys and women are incredibly courageous. they don't think twice. they have the training and the skills. i want to shine a lot of light on the first responders in our city. i used to say it all the time as a politician, you're always praising your firefighters and now i know what it's like, and i have a deeper respect for them than i've ever had before. >> let's bring in the chief of the fire department and the fire director for the newark fire department. gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight. you were at the hospital with the victim today. how is she doing and what was her response to the mayor coming in and saving her? >> i wasn't at the hospital today. our arson division was up there. they met with her and the family. i think the mother had a real
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imbrai embrace with the mayor. they shared a moment last night and today on that spectacular event. >> how dangerous was it for the mayor to go in and do what he did last night? take us through what happened. >> first, let me say it was an extremely act that he did. an act of heroism and bravery that i've never seen before. the level of difficult that he accomplished as a civilian was incredible. first, going up a stairwell into a burning building. fighting fires that are in the kitchen and going through that and finding himself the victim in the dark. in a fire you can't see your hand in front you have let alone feel or nowhere you're at. for him to have go through there and climb the stairs and go through the kitchen where there's flames around you. go through that and maneuver his
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way to find the victim and carry her out, it was incredible and very heroic. >> john, how lucky was the mayor of newark to get out of this and how lucky was the person that was rescued? >> well, in the fire service we use a term as a real legitimate rescue. a good save, good grab. that's what happened there. i think they were all very lucky. the mayor, his security detail and the woman. timing was everything. a few minutes later, i think it could have had a tragic event. i think the mayor and his detective got the woman out just in time. i really believe it was a life save and a true rescue. a true rescue happened there last night. >> what did you say to the mayor after it happened? >> the first words i said are how are you doing, sir? is everything okay? when the director got there, he thanked him for what he did and assured him he would not be
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doing that again. >> exactly. when first got to the hospital, first thing i said was thank you for what you did but don't ever do that again. bravery is one thing, and you think with your heart instead of your head sometimes but our mayor is an incredible person, but as professional, we wouldn't recommend anyone else to do that. >> he used this moment to compliment the firefighters who risk their lives every day. how appreciative are you of that? i think often times firefighters don't get the credit and the first responders don't get the credit that they deserve and here is a mayor that saved a life, risks his own life, gets a successful mission accomplished and turned to say you do it every day. you first, john. >> it was a special moment for us to go back to the company
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today, the fire house that responded to the fire and talking to the next shift in and getting a chance to relay that message to them. they all heard it on newscast. it gave me a moment to thank them too for what they do every day. that is important. that's important for us to be recognized and we appreciate itted that. it goes a long way. it goes a long way. a thank you goes a long way once in a while. >> your thoughts? >> let me just say first and foremost the fact that he humbled himself and show the appreciation of what we do every day, me and john both being 27 year veteran and coming up through the ranks of the firefighters to understand the hard work that firefighters do not just in the city of newark and also throughout the country. to have a mayor recognize us in his way after he did such a courageous thing to say we do
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this every day. it will be held to each firefighters heart. we went around to the fire station and we informed the firefighters of what the major said. they were so appreciative of what he said. for a long time we don't feel like we're appreciated. >> gentlemen thanks for your time. great story. next, the romney scare tactics on president obama's gun record. romney is the one the nra ought to be afraid of. that's next. stay with us. for a hot dog cart. my mother said, "well, maybe we ought to buy this hot dog cart and set it up someplace." so my parents went to bank of america. they met with the branch manager and they said, "look, we've got this little hot dog cart, and it's on a really good corner. let's see if we can buy the property." and the branch manager said, "all right, i will take a chance with the two of you." and we've been loyal to bank of america for the last 71 years.
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welcome back. the anti-obama rhetoric was running hot and heavy at today's
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national rifle association. >> all of our second amendment liberty, all of the rights we worked so hard for to defend, all of what we know as good and right about america, all of it could be lost if barack obama gets reelected. we know if president obama gets a second term, america as we know it, will be on its way to being lost forever. >> but that was just the start of it. mitt romney laid it on pretty thick as well. >> the right to bear arms is so plainly stated, so unambiguous that liberals have a hard time challenging it directly. instead they have been imploying every imaginable ruse and ploy to restrict it and defeat it. >> of course, mitt romney did
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not site a single example of president obama actually rolling back gun rights in america. he can't because the truth is president obama has expanded gun rights in america. president obama signed a federal law two years ago requiring national parks to allow gun owners to carry firearms into national parks as long as it follows state law. what about mitt romney? when he was running for the senate back in the 1990s, he supported a five-day waiting period to buy a gun. he said, that's not going to make me the hero of the nra. here he is again today. >> you know, we need a president that will enforce current laws, not create new ones that will burden lawful gun owners. president obama has not. i will. >> well, here is romney in 2002 when he was running for governor of massachusetts. >> we do have tough gun laws in
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massachusetts. i support them. i won't chip away at them. >> oops. here is yet another clip from today's speech. >> if we're going to safeguard our second amendment, it's time to elect a president that will defend the rights president obama ignores or minimizes. >> in 2005, romney signed a permanent ban, you get that nra guy, a permanent ban saying deadly assault weapons have no place in massachusetts. maybe that's why romney only said the word gun once in his entire speech today to the nra. you see romney tries to talk tough in front of the nra, but it's not very convincing. he's what you would call a sheep in wolf's clothing. in the big finish tonight, 100 years after the titanic sunk,
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big first name finish tonight. it was 100 years ago that the ship of dreams hit an iceberg. a ship labeled unsinkable plunged two and a half miles down to the ocean floor. some are still hard at work piecing together the truth. in 2010, a team of researchers explored the wreckage of the titanic and for the first time mapped out a massive area of the sea floor. they pieced together to create unprecedented views of the ship like this picture of the stern composed of 300 high resolution imag images. this is what remains of two of the titanic engines. they are very big. they are four stories tall. here you can see an image of the entire bow of the titanic.
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here is the star bridge side of the ship. the side that hit the iceberg. dr. dave gallow joins us tonight. great to have you with us. i appreciate your time. i'm fascinated by some of your research that you say that hitting the ice been berg may not have been as dramatic as we might think. take us down that road. >> that's right. one of the early ideas was that maybe it was a giant gash on the side of the titanic or maybe several giant gashes and then the idea was put forward it was ma maybe it was a lot of small cuts and maybe it bumped along the iceburg and creased the plates. maybe it creased those so it caused a lot of the partings in the hull. by doing what we did, what you
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just described there, we were able to look at every piece of that ship. >> what have we learned from these images? >> for the first time we see the whole thing, and not just the wreck of titanic, not just the bow and the stern. we went wider than that. we went out five miles by three miles and mapped that whole area. we got the entire wreck site and the wreck itself and the sea floor around it. we're starting to get an idea of the setting of titanic and also of everything that's in that site. we used to have anecdotal ideas about there's a boiler over here and the crane over there. we have the birds eye view and the aimages that you show. >> is there anything that could have been done to save the ship? >> i don't know. we went through a lot of different scenarios wondering about that. one thing that puzzled a lot of people is that when the ship was
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sinking, there was a light not far away, and that was another ship. when he ordered the women and children into boats, he said have them row toward that light. there's some thought if they had done that or maybe even steamed toward that ship they could have saved a more people and they could have done a more orderly job loading the lifeboats. they could have saved another 500 people. by in large, about 32% were saved. the rest were lost. >> you have been there and seen the wreckage. what was that like? >> i've only used robots. i hope to go at some point. using the robots today with 3-d cameras is like being there. it's awesome, ed. even though you have this external, this posture of being a scientist, you have to have a cool exterior, everybody had a job to do. just below the surface just because it's ni

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